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In any case, there is really only one way presently to run Jamstix on a mac. It is with crossover (or Wine if you are brave). Wine is free and is essentially the same thing as Crossover, but you will have to figure out more about how to configure it, the commercial version (Crossover) works more easily out of the box.

Trying to use VMWare, Parallels or anything of that nature will not work well, it is too much of a serious hit and the midi information is not transferred in/out of those environments. I already went down the path of trying VMware, but its just too heavy weight.

However, the good news is that Crossover works absolutely great, the timing is solid, the midi and audio can be ported in/out of crossover using IAC and JackOSX. It also is not running a complete VM so its much more performant. CrossoverMac is your ticket. For a while CrossoverGames seemed to work and CrossoverMac didn't, but as I understand it CrossoverMac has been since updated and probably will work.

I've also managed to get several other windows VST's working under crossover, including Cobalt and OP-X, neither of which are available natively on OSX as of yet.

CrossOver works.

Check this out: http://rayzoon2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4043 It's taking a lot of resources, so they must be doing something!

I have also run it OK in Fusion, but it's a bit confused with the sound card, it's a challenge. Crossover works OK, but I can't get my GearBox Plugin to work because it needs Windows drivers to activate. I need to have my plugins consolidated on a single platform...

Explain your IAC and JackOSX techniques? I might be able to work with that.

I thought I wrote a detailed explanation once already on this forum somewhere. Please try to search for it. If you search for JackOSX, you might find it.

Anyway, what happens is that JackOSX and JackASIO will provide to your windows program a virtual soundcard device which essentially pipes the audio out of your windows program into the JackOSX wiring, which you can then route to any mac program you want....or visa versa.

IAC is built into OSX and you can also create virtual midi ports a number of different ways under OSX and those virtual midi ports will show up inside Crossover (crossover automatically shares the same midi busses with windows)... so you can pipe midi in and out. It works great.

If you have another plugin that requires a dongle or some other windows driver, then you're SOL that is probably not ever gonna work for you on a mac.

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Hmmm, maybe I didn't type a nice guide here. I thought I did. I can't find it now. I will look and see if I can find my notes and type up a guide if I get some time. I had to go to a number of different places to find all the stuff I needed and pull it together.

- CrossOver Mac
- JackOSX
- wineasio
- VST host of some kind (Reaper, EnergyXT, etc).

Get to know JackOSX, that routes audio around between applications in OSX with virtual audio ports. The Wineasio thing basically makes a JackOSX audio port appear to windows apps in crossover as a virtual ASIO audio interface. wineasio is hard to find in compiled form, but its out there. Let me know if you can't find it and I will try to track it down.

virtual midi ports are built into OSX and crossover will share all of them.

Alright. I take it back, Jamstix is no longer working with the latest versions of CrossOver Mac. Very sad. maybe we can figure it out.

Under the latest CXMac 7.1.0, wineasio does not function at all, but otherwise everything seems to work ok.

Under CXGames 7.1.1, the wineasio works fine, but opening up any jamstix
dialog box such as Options, the window slides down the screen until its off the edge of the screen and the app remains frozen after that.

I'm not sure why CXGames has this window behavior while CXMac does not. kind of strange.

I also tried to use virtual midi ports from CXMac straight to DP and I can get it working but the midi timing is horrendous that way. Something in the chain is causing a lot of inconsistent latency. Unusable that way either.

So I guess until further notice, CXMac does not work with Jamstix. I can't rememember which version of CrossOverMac I was using where I had it all working but if I can figure that out I will roll back to that version and then just hope for Ralph to finish the mac version of Jamstix which will really just make my day.

I gave up on this. It's a great app but not worth all this. Seems to be a one way street and I'm not liking that one bit. At least provide us with an update or starter version.
It's even starting to get funny how we all trying to figure out how to get it working.
I bet a lot of previous Jamstix users who switched to mac gave up on this and just got a sample library with grooves like BFD or Superior Drummer 2 (EZ player).

So good luck to you all and dont keep your hopes up on this one, move on and start building tracks again lads.

If I get thrown out of here because of this take care and see you around.

I fully understand your frustration, Ludwig.

Porting Jamstix to Mac has turned out to be anything but easy. On one hand is our Delphi code base, which must be fully ported to C and then there are the complexities of Jamstix meeting the differences of Mac and PC. On top of that come all the other things we need to do to keep Rayzoon rolling and keep putting out udpates and expansions for the existing (PC) Jamstix owners. The result is that we simply need more time to get the Mac port done. We appreciate everyone's patience as we move ahead towards that goal.

Ralph,

As they say – if it were easy, anybody could do it…

Seriously, I think that all of us on Macs truly appreciate the fact the the Jamstix Macification is indeed in the works!

And it's certainly better to have us wait a bit longer and be assured of a robust and stable Macstix, than stressing out a half baked product that has to be endlessly tweaked and updated.

The main thing is that we know that eventually, Jamstix Mac will come to him/her who waits patiently.

Best,

Joey

Yeah, Ludwig, I understand why you're distressed, but no need to be too impatient. I'd say Ralph only just started on the Mac version, so it's waaaay to soon to be frustrated.

Besides, one thing about Rayzoon is they are startlingly QUICK with responses to customer requests, so it's not going to delay any longer than it needs to.

Ralph still needs a week off, too, remember. The poor guy probably rarely sleeps as it is.

Macstix heh, I like it.